Packing boxes RUDDER

User avatar
bill
Royal Aluminum Star
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:17 am
Location: Grosse Ile MI

Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby bill » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:48 am

BigM
Thanks Dave :D

These packing glands are getting hard to find. I believe all the rudders shafts are 1" dia.

http://www.foreandaftmarine.com/18-49409.htm






I would have to consider going with bronze if I replaced my rudders with new stainless ones. Rudders are never really isolated due to linkage etc. and that is why we put anodes on them.

safe boating,
dave
Last edited by bill on Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
ALUMINATION
Grosse Ile MI
Located on LakeErie
37' F/B Sedan
1975
Twin 360 Chrysler Marine
Raw water cooled
Hydraulic steering both helms
USCG Master Lic. Retired

Third Owner bill

martindesign
Aluminum Star
Posts: 104
Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:07 pm

Re: Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby martindesign » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:17 pm

Thank you for the parts source!
Machanic, fabricator, carpenter, plumber, electrician, designer, hotrod builder and glutton for punishment. :ugeek: current boat; 1969 Marinette 32 express bridge 440's
Catawba Oh

nascarjonb
Tin star
Posts: 30
Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:39 pm

Re: Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby nascarjonb » Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:01 pm

Does plastic hold up on these or is brass a better material???
1986 28 fisherman
twin chryser 360's
Marblehead, Ohio

Fastjeff
Site Admin
Posts: 1015
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:06 am
Location: Rock Halll, MD
Contact:

Re: Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby Fastjeff » Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:01 pm

Brass is tougher, for sure, but be careful to isolate it thoroughly!

Note that, unlike a prop packing gland, you can tighten the hell out of a rudder packing gland since it doesn't spin at high rpm.

Jeff
"We live at the bottom of an ocean of air, not at the top." General Marvage Slatington

ericinga
Aluminum Star
Posts: 168
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:21 am
Location: Cumming, GA

Re: Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby ericinga » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:27 pm

I replaced the plastic rudder stuffing box with a bronze stuffing box. Why? My 69 year old dad was helping during the rudder bearing replacement. He loosened the clamps to remove it, applied very little force and it snapped off.

Some forum members have commented about corrosion caused by bronze contacting the aluminum. This isn't true. The bronze is isolated from the hull by the rubber hose. The rudder is isolated from the bronze by the packing material.

Eric
Eric Spies
1989 32 SDFB
Twin 318s
Lake Lanier, GA
Marinette Boat

User avatar
bill
Royal Aluminum Star
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:17 am
Location: Grosse Ile MI

Re: Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby bill » Mon May 09, 2016 5:56 pm

BigM

If you are using these rudder stuffing boxes in place of the plastic original ones :o make sure you get the correct size rudder hose for attaching the new box to the OD of the Aluminum rudder tube. ;)
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/us ... king+Boxes
bill
ALUMINATION
Grosse Ile MI
Located on LakeErie
37' F/B Sedan
1975
Twin 360 Chrysler Marine
Raw water cooled
Hydraulic steering both helms
USCG Master Lic. Retired

Third Owner bill

EWRice
Royal Aluminum Star
Posts: 256
Joined: Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:37 pm

Re: Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby EWRice » Tue May 10, 2016 4:56 pm

My boat has bronze glands on it. They had to be replaced, but that is another story. What had happened though, is the aluminum upper support bracket had come into contact with the packing nut. The support corroded so bad, I had to replace the one. I was able to clean up the other, rotate the support bearing and drill new mounting holes. Both had new isolation gaskets between the bearing and support installed. I think most of this occurred when my boat was in salt water.
Muskegon Lake
1972 32' Express flybridge
"AL13"
Twin 318s
On board air & prime 920
1963 Thompson Super Sea Lancer
Graymarine 327
1961 Alumacraft 12'
'55 10hp Johnson

User avatar
bcassedy
Royal Aluminum Star
Posts: 321
Joined: Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:05 am
Location: Aurora, In.
Contact:

Re: Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby bcassedy » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:09 am

So...
Because of damage that occurred while boat was on hard -> bent rudder shaft...
Stbd Rudder - bent n out - f.jpg


...it was necessary to remove it for repair / replacement at a local machine shop.
Extraction was deceptively easy.
- Remove 3 cotter pins. (1 on shaft's top, 1 which tied to packing gland plastic nuts sections together, 1 on "Y" yoke's (ties starboard and port rudders together) clevis pin <removal for ease of access into aft bilge area to work>)
- Hit all parts with PB Blaster a couple of times.
- Easy to then work square headed retaining bolt from bronze tiller yoke.
- Remove brass 9/16" bolt from brass tiller yoke.
- Drive flat tipped screwdriver into split of yoke's split drawtite section. (only enough to effect a loosening of tiller yoke from rudder shaft. Will need to be tightened slightly with screw clamp to ensure alignment of holes when bolt inserted < 1/2 of split section is threaded [in addition to having a 9/16" brass nut as well] so the alignment is correct when starting to thread in bolt.>)
- When tiller yoke's retaining bolt and split was loosened, it was easy to tap the yoke upwards off of shaft - WHICH FELL THRU SHAFT LOG WITHOUT ANY EFFORT onto the ground. This tells me the cutlass bearing's worn out.

- Loosened all 4 screw clamps from isolation hose.
- Pulled plastic "isolator" packing gland assembly.
Rudder - disassmbly - isolator - top ring - f.jpg

The brass "tiller yoke" which connects the rudder to the connection rod between the starboard and port rudders rides on top of the packing gland / top plastic ring.

- Took apart packing gland:

Rudder - isolator - complete disassmbly -f.jpg

Dis-assembly would be left to right - AND THIS IS WHERE I NEED HELP!!! :roll:

I know there're non-metallic cutlass bearing sections still in the shaft log that need to be removed. That I believe I've got a handle on.
--> What I don't know about is the packing gland material to be used in the packing gland.
- Those are the 2 pieces - 2nd from left & 4th from left (or the 2 items between the metal ring).

Anyone know the appropriate material to use? Or would the same material used in the prop shaft log packing gland be used?

Thx,
Bill
Last edited by bcassedy on Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:16 am, edited 7 times in total.
Bill & Sharon Cassedy
"Sunset Seeker"
'88 32' Sedan Bridge
Located in Aurora, In.
Twin 318cu in Chrysler
1.5:1 Velvet drive trannies
Fresh water only

User avatar
bill
Royal Aluminum Star
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:17 am
Location: Grosse Ile MI

Re: Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby bill » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:27 am

BigM

bill
Last edited by bill on Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
ALUMINATION
Grosse Ile MI
Located on LakeErie
37' F/B Sedan
1975
Twin 360 Chrysler Marine
Raw water cooled
Hydraulic steering both helms
USCG Master Lic. Retired

Third Owner bill

User avatar
Busia
Royal Aluminum Star
Posts: 254
Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:21 am

Re: Packing boxes RUDDER

Postby Busia » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:11 pm

Yes, the same packing. A plumbing or boat shop will have different types. I believe 1/4" by 1/4" is the size. Not high pressure or high speed so it is not critical. Just no room to work.
BUSIA
located in Ketchikan, Alaska. Gods country
32 foot Marinette express. (no fly bridge)
twin 350 Crusader (Chev 350) engines
1:1 Borg Warner velvet drive transmissions
Closed cooling (antifreeze in the engine)
Proud to be retired IBEW